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General Discussion :: RE: A Muslim Soldier's View from Fort Hood

Author: drdon
Posted: Nov 07, 2009 06:53 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 1

great post.

Quote:

Hasan made some anti-Semitic comments about Jews as a nation being �cursed by God� in Islam.

so not only didnt he like americans, he didnt like jews to well.

Dickless would love this guy.

General Discussion :: RE: Carter, facts and Jews

Author: Andy Lewis
Posted: Nov 07, 2009 01:06 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 1

Carter is a devout man of faith and a practicing bozo.

In his case, practice made perfect.
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Anti-Semitism around the World :: 'Crystal Night': Anti-Semitism then and now

Author: Behind the Aegis
Subject: 'Crystal Night': Anti-Semitism then and now
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 23:02 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 0

On Nov. 9, 1938, a massive nationwide anti-Jewish pogrom took place during peacetime across the entire territory of the Third Reich. The pretext for this orgy of violence against German Jews was the shooting in Paris two days earlier of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old Polish-Jewish refugee.

The state-organized pogrom, instigated by Adolph Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, resulted in the burning or damaging of more than 1,000 synagogues, the ransacking of about 7,500 businesses, the murder of at least 91 Jews and the deportation of another 30,000 Jewish males to concentration camps in Dachau, Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen.

This murderous onslaught against German Jewry, cynically described by the Nazis as the "Night of Broken Glass," or Kristallnacht , was a major turning point on the road to the "Final Solution" of the so-called "Jewish Question." It signified that the Nazi regime had crossed a Rubicon and would no longer be deterred by Western public opinion in its "war against the Jews." The economic expropriation of German Jewry, its complete social ostracism and public humiliation swiftly followed. Jews were banned from public transport, from frequenting concerts, theaters, cinemas, commercial centers and beaches, or using public benches.

Only a fortnight after "Crystal Night," the SS journal, Das Schwarze Korps, chillingly prophesied the imminent annihilation of German Jewry through "fire and sword."

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_13730942

General Discussion :: Carter, facts and Jews

Author: Behind the Aegis
Subject: Carter, facts and Jews
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 22:29 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 1

Jimmy Carter getting the facts wrong is nothing new, but you'd think the vaunted New York Times Op-Ed page would know better.

He writes today about the Goldstone report into last year's Gaza war, which recommends war crimes investigations for Israel and Hamas.

First off, he gets the "out" Goldstone has suggested to Israel and Hamas -- investigate yourself -- half backwards:

He has called on the United States, Israel and others who dispute the accuracy of the report to conduct an independent investigation of their own. Hamas leaders have announced that their investigation is under way, but Israel has rejected Judge Goldstone�s request.

Israel has yet to decide what to do -- which isn't wonderful, but still. Hamas, on the other hand, has straightforwardly said "go jump." Today, from Xinhua: Hamas wants the Palestinian Authority to prosecute its U.N. envoy for even hinting Hamas has done anything wrong:

"This is the first time that a representative of a people under occupation agreed that his people had committed the so-called violations against the occupying power," Taher al-Nounou, spokesman for the Hamas administration, said in a statement.

Al-Nounou called on the PNA, led by President Mahmoud Abbas, to prosecute (Riyad) Mansour for his comments.

More aggravating, though, is how Carter, apparently, has conferred upon himself rabbinic authority: Judge Richard Goldstone is a "devout" Jew:

MUCH MORE.... http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/11/05/1008978/carter-facts-and-jews#comment_92288

General Discussion :: A Muslim Soldier's View from Fort Hood

Author: phx_dem
Subject: A Muslim Soldier's View from Fort Hood
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 21:59 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 1

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Richard first met Major Hasan in July 2009 when the latter arrived at Fort Hood. According to Richard, there are between 300-500 Muslim families that live at Fort Hood, and everyone in the community is associated with the base either as a service member or in a civilian support capacity. The Muslim community is largely South Asian, hailing from Indian, Pakistani, and other sub-continental backgrounds. The community is prosperous, with many doctors and professionals at its core. The Muslims at Fort Hood live in harmony with their neighbors, and from Richard�s experience, most were happy to be associated with the U.S. military and viewed their work through a lens of profound patriotism.

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As Richard got to know Hasan better over the next several months, he found the major to be a pious man who was at the mosque daily. But Richard also began to garner a sense of Hasan�s political views that troubled him. A black-and-white outlook on Islam and life that had no room for nuance or debate. Hasan had apparently attended a mosque led by an imam named Anwar Al-Awlaki, a Yemeni scholar whose political views Richard disagrees with.

Awlaki is a controversial figure among Muslims, and has been accused by the Congressional Joint Inquiry on 9/11 of serving as a �spiritual advisor� to two of the Septmeber 11 hijackers. While Richard is careful to say that he respects much of Awlaki�s historical scholarship, he rejects his political ideology, which posits a black-and-white, us versus them, view of America�s relationship with the Islamic world.

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Richard does not know how heavily Hasan was influenced by fundamentalist thinkers like Awlaki. But the major�s views were definitely troubling. Richard described an incident where Hasan made some anti-Semitic comments about Jews as a nation being �cursed by God� in Islam. Richard responded that the Qur�an does not condemn any group of people collectively, and that no one is born �cursed� by their ancestry.

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A second incident that revealed the hints of radicalism inside Hasan�s worldview took place when Richard once asked a group of Muslims on the base whether they would consider the Taliban to be members of �Ahl-as-Sunna,� the Arabic term for those who follow the Prophet�s tradition and life example. It is a short-hand among many Muslims to denote those who are �mainstream� versus those who are �misguided.� Hasan became angry that Richard could even ask such a question, but the other Muslims rose to Richard�s defense, pointing out that the Taliban are a patchwork of a variety of groups, many of whom are clearly way out of the mainstream Islam as practiced by the vast majority of believers. Richard was taken aback by Hasan�s sudden anger at what had been seconds before a friendly discussion.

Perhaps most troubling are Hasan�s views on suicide bombing. The major has posted his opinions on the Internet, suggesting that he viewed at least some suicide bombers as the moral equivalent of soldiers who throw themselves on grenades to save others. Readers of my work will know that I have stated very clearly and with deep conviction that suicide bombing is a violation of Islam�s basic rules of war (and I have received death threats from radicals who disagree with me).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/a-muslim-soldiers-view-fr_b_348973.html&cp
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Mind Numbing Stupidity on the Internet :: RE: "So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....

Author: Behind the Aegis
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 21:44 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 2

I'll go you one better:

Quote:

spanone (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 04:37 PM
Original message
i don't understand why the Jewish community isn't more than outraged?

this picture was used as political fodder in the healthcare debate.

perhaps they are outraged, but i have seen no indication.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6946336

Of course, I provided an example from today, as did a few other people. Still, that wasn't good enough. To make it even more obvious to the MNS of this poster....

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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 06:31 PM
Original message
Cantor Says Tea Party's Dachau Photos 'Inappropriate,' Takes Issue With Limbaugh
At yesterday's tea party rally on Capitol Hill, at least one protester brandished a large graphic photograph of the victims of the Dachau Nazi concentration camp, comparing health care reform to Nazi policies. Today, Rep. Eric Cantor's (R-VA) spokesman called the photograph "inappropriate."

Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) has also condemned the poster.

Cantor, in an interview today with Bloomberg, also offered some criticism of radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh's comparison of President Obama to Adolf Hitler.

"Do I condone the mention of Hitler in any discussion about politics?" said Cantor, who is the only Jewish Republican in Congress. "No, I don't, because obviously that is something that conjures up images that frankly are not, I think, very helpful."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/cantor-says-...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6947492

To which the one complaing about Jews not making a stink had to say:

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spanone (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
2. not inappropriate, it's unacceptable.
they didn't CONJURE up images mr cantor, the WERE THE FUCKING IMAGES
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6947492&mesg_id=6947501

So Jews aren't saying anything, and when they do, it isn't good enough or is ignored by the media, which is our fault some how.

Mind Numbing Stupidity on the Internet :: RE: "So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....

Author: GabysPoppy
Subject: Re: "So I called the local mosque tonight and told them
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 20:30 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 2

drdon wrote:

catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 08:11 PM
Original message

So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....
Allah ahkbar...which may not have been in the correct vernacular, but I intended it to mean "God is Great". Since I left it on their answering machine there was no feedback, but my intention and the rest of my message was that I lived just the next town over and that I would try to visit their mosque this winter. Perhaps we all should. It couldn't hurt...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6947741

you cant make this shit up.

When it comes to some of the DUmmies, they are capable of anything
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Mind Numbing Stupidity on the Internet :: "So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....

Author: drdon
Subject: "So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 20:21 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 2

catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-06-09 08:11 PM
Original message

So I called the local mosque tonight and told them....
Allah ahkbar...which may not have been in the correct vernacular, but I intended it to mean "God is Great". Since I left it on their answering machine there was no feedback, but my intention and the rest of my message was that I lived just the next town over and that I would try to visit their mosque this winter. Perhaps we all should. It couldn't hurt...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6947741

you cant make this shit up.

Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: drdon
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 19:44 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

here's a du summary

Well, i'm suuuure this is an isolated event ( please ignore the THOUSANDS of other ISOLATED events that involve islamic terrorism-purely coincidental)

This man was a victim of a brutal repressive and oppressive colonialist , hegemonistic fascist US regime who FORCED him to join the voluntary US military and then forced to go to FREE medical school to become a PSYCHIATRIST and get paid a large salary....on the taxpayers money.

And then this fascist goverment wanted him to serve his country which he agreed to. What a bunch of bastards.

So what choice did he have but to kill his collegues in cold blood while yelling "Allahu Akbar!" " killing 12 infidels of the great satan.

I'm against what he did but i can understand after years of education, position and money , he had no choice but to take action against the US racist society and kill those soldiers

quite a world we live in.

Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: phx_dem
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 17:45 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

PewResearchCenter: Muslim Americans

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Nearly half of Muslims in the U.S.(47%) say they think of themselves first as a Muslim, rather than as an American. But far more Muslims in three of the four Western European nations surveyed said they considered themselves first as Muslims, rather than citizens of their countries. In addition, Muslim Americans� views of the quality of life for Muslim women in the U.S. also are relatively positive when compared with Muslims in the
Western European countries surveyed.

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While most Muslims express concern about the rise of Islamic extremism around the world, they express relatively little support for the war on terrorism. Just 26% say the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce international terrorism. By contrast, a Pew survey of the general public in 2004 found 67% saying the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism. In this regard, Muslim American views come closer to the strong disapproval Muslims in the Middle East have voiced regarding the war on terrorism.

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In addition, the survey finds that younger Muslim Americans � those under age 30 � are both much more religiously observant and more accepting of Islamic extremism than are older Muslim Americans. Younger Muslim Americans report attending services at a mosque more frequently than do older Muslims. And a greater percentage of younger Muslims in the U.S. think of themselves first as Muslims, rather than primarily as Americans (60% vs. 41% among Muslim Americans ages 30 and older). Moreover, more than twice as many Muslim Americans under age 30 as older Muslims believe that suicide bombings can be often or sometimes justified in the defense of Islam (15% vs. 6%).

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Consistent with the views of Muslims in other countries, fewer than half of Muslim Americans � regardless of their age � accept the fact that groups of Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks. Just four-in-10 say that groups of Arabs engineered the attacks. Roughly a third (32%) expresses no opinion as to who was behind the attacks, while 28% flatly disbelieve that Arabs conducted the attacks.

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Overall, Muslim Americans are fairly traditional in their religious beliefs. For example, 86% say that the Koran is �the word of God� and half (50%) say that the Koran is to be read literally, word for word. Fewer than one-in-10 U.S. Muslims (8%) say the Koran is a book written by men. In this regard, Muslims in this country are more likely to adopt a strict literal view of the Koran than American Christians are to adopt a strict literal view of the Bible (50% to 40%).

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
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Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: Behind the Aegis
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 17:08 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

GabysPoppy wrote:

Behind the Aegis wrote:

And, as expected, DU'ers, many of them anti-Israel bigots, are falling all over themselves to "explain" this tragedy as he snapped because he was harrassed for his religion. There is NO excuse for harassing someone because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof, but to 'explain' away this tragedy is a load of crap! If the shooter had said "praise Jesus" or "L'Chaiam," the same "excusers" would be all over it like stink on shit.

I have never seen so many hypocrites in my life, except for a Log Cabin Republican meeting.

What is scary is supposedly he made the comment: 'he was "a Muslim first and an American second." ' If a psycho attacked a gay bar claiming he was a "Christian first, and American second" the same "excusers" would rip that apart. Jews in this country don't even have to say "I'm a Jew first, and American second," as it is already widely believed and is spewed by supposed progressives, liberals and those on the left. They hide their anti-Semitism in remarks like "Israeli-firster," "(I) = Israel", and "Israel controls Congress."

Also, if this dipshit didn't want to wage war on his fellow Muslims, he should have NEVER joined the US military as the mission of the US Army is to the US and not other groups. While I disagree with the actions in Iraq and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan, there is ALWAYS the possibility one on the military will be involved in a conflict.

Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: GabysPoppy
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 16:28 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

Behind the Aegis wrote:

Bigoots like REPULSIVEMUSLIM, BITCHBOY etc. are quick to make the association and imply that Baruch Goldstein is representative of all the settlers, I think as a matter of fair play it's fine to associate this murderer with every Palestinian.

On the other hand, as Susan Esterich once opined, NOT every Muslim is a terrorist however most if not all terrorists are Muslim.
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Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: Behind the Aegis
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 14:44 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

And, as expected, DU'ers, many of them anti-Israel bigots, are falling all over themselves to "explain" this tragedy as he snapped because he was harrassed for his religion. There is NO excuse for harassing someone because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof, but to 'explain' away this tragedy is a load of crap! If the shooter had said "praise Jesus" or "L'Chaiam," the same "excusers" would be all over it like stink on shit.

I have never seen so many hypocrites in my life, except for a Log Cabin Republican meeting.

Latest Breaking News :: RE: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13

Author: Bobo
Subject: Re: Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 13:57 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 6

drdon wrote:

Muslim Major Shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he Massacres 13 soldiers Injures 30

News comes that the man responsible for the massacre of 13 US Army soldiers, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, was shouting "Allahu Akbar" as he opened fire on the unsuspecting men and women:

"Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday." SOURCE

Recall Allahu Akbar was also screamed by the 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorists as they plunged their airplanes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center killing 2993 innocent people.

This "devout muslim" was also under investigation by the FBI for statements made supporting muslims killing US soldiers:
"The army psychiatrist who shot dead 13 people in murderous rampage at America's biggest military base was facing an FBI investigation for expressing sympathy with suicide bombers....Hasan posted a series of comments on a website which drew parallels between terrorists and a US soldier who sacrificed himself to save his comrades. Investigators were tipped off six months ago by the devout Muslim's worried colleagues."SOURCE

Also extremely disturbing is a video, from the morning of the massacre, showing Hasan wearing a muslim white robe and cap:

"In the video, the individual believed to be Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan appears wearing clothes that would be abnormal for someone of Palestinian descent - Hasan's family is from Jordan. CBS News correspondent Sheila MacVicarreports that the man is wearing a shalwar kameez - long robes far more common in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He is also wearing white, which in Islam is associated with death or mourning. The prayer cap on his head is also more closely associated with Southeast Asia than with the Arab world." SOURCE

http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/muslim-major-shouts-allahu-akbar-as-he-massacres-13-soldiers-injures-30.html

hmmmm...very disconcerting to hear this.

gee, i hope this wasnt an act of terrorism.

Yeah, and the guardian says so too:
A US army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Afghanistan allegedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", as he opened fire at a military base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 28.

The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted the Arabic phrase just before he began his shooting spree at Fort Hood military installation yesterday, according to the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone.
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Federal law enforcement officials told Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of his web postings, which discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

One of the web posts that authorities reviewed was a blog that equated suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the post. "Scholars have paralled [sic] this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

The officials said Hasan appeared to have made the postings but it was still being checked.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-alive

And just think, federal tax money paid for this terrorist's salary and education.

In Response & Members' Op-Editorials :: The UN learning from KAPOstein

Author: GabysPoppy
Subject: The UN learning from KAPOstein
Posted: Nov 06, 2009 13:25 (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 0

Link

I'm sure DICKless will be taking credit for this before the month is out.
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